posted by [identity profile] nellorat.livejournal.com at 12:25pm on 21/12/2010
One issue--with the list & with comments--is that in some ways hoarders-packrats-collectors is a continuum, and some of the same advice can help, but in other ways there's a sharp line, and good advice for some people with stuff problems could be bad for hoarders, as you say.

One reason I spoke up is this comment on my own LJ, which left me a bit sensitive. As I said in this comment, I do like the idea that someone else can get use out of the item. But we are both (1) putting a lot of effort into finding people or institutions who do want the stuff, and (2) definitely NOT using it as an excuse to keep stuff, but in boxes-to-be-gotten-rid-of. And we do recycle battered books no one would want.

The key to me seems to be whether getting rid of something "correctly" is a way of not getting rid of it at all. But even there, it's hard to tell where desire to actually hang on to the recycling ends and a battle between good intentions and limited energy begins. Even the second is a psych issue, but it's a totally different one, more the kind everyone has.
 
posted by [identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com at 06:26pm on 21/12/2010
Ah, yes, the old "But it's a book! Books are dead and worthless!" *eyeroll*

The odd thing is that when I said "people don't want your crap", I didn't mean thrift stores or charitable institutions, which demonstrably want your crap, or books. Because of everyone wants books! I have my own blind spots. :)

I feel like there's a huge difference between giving used books to people and giving almost anything else to them. But that's probably because I belong to the cult of the book, like every other sensible human. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com at 06:35pm on 21/12/2010
I guess I also have a problem with the level of control-freak that that attitude displays. The person with the stuff problem has determined that they are the only one who can possibly decide what proper use a thing is put to, and honestly? It's just stuff. And if it's stuff you don't have room for and aren't going to use? Better to just pitch it.

Ranj's ex-wife "recycled". KC didn't have curbside, so what she actually did was fill parts of her house with recyclables until it was impossible to move, and then drive just enough to the recycling centre until she could get in the door again, and then stop.
 
posted by [identity profile] nellorat.livejournal.com at 12:29am on 22/12/2010
This comment struck me as much more valid/true after I'd seen the one above, about how it doesn't include books!

Also, I would definitely exclude things that are new or like new: presents that were well intentioned but not really what you want, for instance. Or untouched skeins of yarn after I got carpal tunnel syndrome and had to give up knitting. Or things that really last without showing wear, like statues or good china, that you're just tired of.

I probably do err on the side of giving Goodwill stuff they'll just throw out, but I know they will also find a lot of it re-sellable. My own date with reality was when I realized that while I could sell some of that on eBay and make the money myself, I wasn't getting around to it, and I should let Goodwill or some other charity do the work & get the money.

But this is not, any of it, per se trash. The info about Ranj's ex-wife is scary.

My personal take on that is that while I prefer to recycle--to do anything to minimize stuff in landfills--I have to be realistic. For instance, when we cleared out Supergee's mother's house, we decided that we had too much to cope with anyway and we would just throw out all plastic, glass, and paper, even returnable bottles or cans.

And now Supergee takes deposit-type bottles and cans to the supermarket that accepts them, but then leaves the plastic sack right in front of the machines. Anyone who wants to can get the money for just the time to feed the items to the machine, and someone always does. And Supergee doesn't get all snarly about the task.

This conversation is making me realize how much I'm not a hoarder, even though some people, including the writer of the list, might think so from our house now.

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